It is impossible for me to write about this topic without disclosing my own biases. My philosophical interests in school centered on the analytics, and when I studied history I delved pretty deeply into Marx and his ideological descendants. It’s thus fair to say that I have only a surface appreciation of postmodernism, inasmuch as it comes out of the continental tradition, which I’m really not qualified to talk about. Sadly enough, despite the fact that I recognize this lacuna, I’m probably the most qualified to talk about it in the manosphere. One reason that this is unfortunate is the fact that critics like Dalrock seem to be instinctively aware of the dangers of falling into the postmodern trap, without really knowing enough about it to effectively negate its appeal.
Beginning some five years ago, I began being accused of postmodernist tendencies myself. This is one example:
It is fair to say that I’m a fan of (many of) the Frankfurters: Marcuse, Adorno, Benjamin and the like. It is not accurate to posit the existence of “Frankfurter Deconstructionists,” because deconstructionism is a tool of postmodernism, and the Frankfurters are, to the last, the most vicious critics of postmodernism available. Frankfurters mock the notion of deconstruction, they don’t use it to prove their points. Derrida was not a member of the Frankfurt School. In fact, all his favorite ideas were cut to pieces for sport by a Franfurter named Jürgen Habermas. The fact that GBFM doesn’t know this is both funny and sad, but that sort of ignorance is not at all uncommon in the androsphere.
I take postmodernism as a reaction to enlightenment theses, generally. What does this mean? We start with Kant’s work on enlightenment: Was ist Aufklärung? This essay begins by describing enlightenment as “the emergence of the human being from his own self-imposed tutelage.” Historically, the individual has seen his standard-of-living rise, and he has thus seen a corresponding increase in the proportion of leisure time. What this has led to is an increase in real freedom: intellectual, political, academic and scientific, as history progressed. Enlightenment, for Kant, was at least partly a function of economic prosperity. The fear of starvation and exposure often kept people timid and pliable. Once enough surplus wealth began circulating, people became less insecure, which led to individuals being able to make more decisions for themselves.
Fast forward a bit, and we find that the results of enlightenment freedoms have led to some truly bizarre scientific theories. We can revisit Frege and look at the difference between sense and reference. We can then get technical and look at quantum field theory. In both cases, there seems to be a surface level of reality, mediated by our senses, which gives us a picture of objects in the everyday world. This surface level is deceptively difficult to reconcile with the deep structures that seem to make up what actually happens in reality. Bertrand Russell talked about this general notion in the first chapter of his Problems of Philosophy.
The difference between phenomenology and metaphysics has grown much more significant with the advent of enlightenment thinking. The postmodernist universalizes the difference, and generalizes the study of deep structure, to the detriment of everything else. Derrida’s famous line: “everything is text,” is an example of the sort of broad paintbrushing that postmodernists love to take to any edifice which has yet to be sufficiently tagged. By this token, the postmodernists have upended enlightenment thinking, and have used its own fruits in an attempt to negate or minimize its successes. Here is the primary postmodernist thesis, as I understand it:
There are two basic levels of reality.
The first level of reality is the phenomenological, corresponding to the data we get from our senses. This is an illusion.
The second level of reality is metaphysical, corresponding to things we will never be able to understand. The best we can hope for is to work out mathematically what happens in reality; but even then, the best we can do is predict isolated incidents. We really don’t know what is going on.
There is no single postmodernist answer to the postmetaphysical thesis they defend. Derrida attempts to formulate a philosophical method which is called deconstructionism. Vattimo (who would angrily decry his place in the postmodernist canon) sets up a competing method based on Gadamer’s hermeneutics.
Here is one of the more enticing and dangerous logical entailments of the postmodernist thesis:
At the surface level, we think our actions are rational, but at the deep level, they are not.
It’s important to disambiguate here, because lots of non-postmodernists will say similar things. Marcuse, for example, was a Frankfurter, and he made what seemed to be similar statements in Eros and Civilization and One-Dimensional Man. In fact, examining the difference between a post-Marxist like Marcuse, and a postmodernist like Derrida, can give us a clearer view of what postmodernism actually is. Marcuse’s argument hinged upon psychological and economic devices to lull us to sleep. Derrida’s argument is founded upon the idea that it is impossible to really understand what motivates us to do anything. For a post-Marxist, human beings are redeemable by their evacuation to a more authentic, non-ideological environment. For a postmodernist, all is for naught.
There are a number of important ethical questions that spring from an acceptance of the postmodernist thesis. For example, if we are not, and can never be, free, then we can never be responsible for our own virtues or our cruelties. Secondly, if the enlightenment ideal of objectivity is impossible, then it is also impossible for us to obtain any epistemic credence in things like justice, fairness or right. Postmodernists generally conclude that we have no epistemic confidence in anything, even in the Cartesian notion that we, ourselves, exist.
The appeal of postmodernism is obvious: It promises a reversion to infantile excuses for our bad behavior, and allows for the cultivation of an unexamined life. After all, if knowledge, decency and understanding is impossible, then we can’t be blamed for not trying.
Kudos for posting a critical post as an example. His writing was pretty funny in that one, so I give you credit for putting a critic in a good light. “1,000,000 butt-hairs…”
For some reason, at least on a surface- level, I find that funny.
I think it was RC Sproul who had some radio teachings about the differences between modernism and postmodernism.
What do you mean by a “… non-ideological environment?” Is that a reference to when the entire world is communist and everyone’s needs are met?
“Postmodernists generally conclude that we have no epistemic confidence in anything, even in the Cartesian notion that we, ourselves, exist.”
I’ve always thought this to be the perfect reason to abandon postmodernism. If it’s correct then nothing anywhere ever matters, which can be disproven in the time it takes to pick up a rock and throw it at the postmodernist. Why did he choose to feel pain? How can he say the thrower did anything wrong? He can’t answer without violating his own philosophy.
There’s probably an error in my comprehension of postmodernism.
Gunner Q,
Humorous and quick-witted example about throwing a rock. If both you and Boxer have to make disclaimers about a lack of understanding postmodernism, then I think it is unlikely to be a comprehensive description of truth, but then I would think that since I don’t think a degree or an ability to understand Greek and Hebrew are needed for understanding the bible.
I don’t have a problem with Boxer’s use of the KJ bible.
But it is curious, not just you two, but I have heard others with similar disclaimers, which make me think the postmodernists have successfully intimidated outsiders.
Yeah, I usually appreciate GBFM, despite his penchant for endless repetition. When he makes fun of me, he is actually funny.
Well, I was summarizing Marcuse, who was a post-Marxist, but was also an anti-communist. That seems difficult to reconcile without summarizing One-Dimensional Man, and that’d take another 2000 words. lol
Marx’s concept of ideology was a simple entailment of capital. Marcuse saw it as much more complicated. If I were to handwave his basic premise it was a sort of Freudian concept of the human soul, in which we all get led into temptation by easy answers to complex problems. We want choices, but we also want simplicity, so we create a society with a few meaningless “Ford v Chevy” type choices, to give ourselves the illusion of choice. Note that there is no “I don’t want to drive” choice available… at least not in North America.
Marcuse’s idea of getting out of this trap had to do with aesthetics. There’s another post-Marxist philosopher I like, named Althusser… He went further, positioning ideology as human nature, and at the end of “On The Reproduction of Capitalism” one just finds the author resigned to the idea that we’d always be alienated.
I think we understand this topic in similar ways.
Well, Samuel Johnson (the guy that kicked rocks at Berkeley) wasn’t a complete antithesis of the postmodernist. Derrida wouldn’t argue that you won’t feel pain if you’re hit by a rock. He’d probably just tell you that the meaning of the pain wasn’t intelligible.
You can’t say that the thrower “did wrong,” though, if you take Derrida at face value. Since everything for the postmodernist is context dependent, we could come up with a thousand different reasons why the rock-thrower was virtuous, or ethically inert, or whatever.