I met your wife at a nightclub, a year before you tied the knot. She looked good to me, and I knew from the way she moved on the dance floor that she had been passed around. Picking her up was effortless. We had plans to stop by a late-night coffee shop, but instead, we went straight to my house.
“Take off your shoes,” I barked, the minute we got in the door. It’s not that I’m an Arab, and I’m not Japanese, either. It’s a little trick I learned. It gets a ho’ ready to take off the rest of her clothes, and she gets wet from having a man give her orders. From the moment she stepped over my threshold, your wife enjoyed being my slut.
I didn’t even let her into my bedroom. The message was subtle, subliminal: The bed is for a girlfriend — you’re a skank-ho prostitute… You’ll get fucked in the living room.
One wall in my top-floor pad is glass, with a spectacular view. I fucked her with the lights on. She got excited knowing that the people far below us could look up and see her, on all fours, taking my cock in her cunt. Later I moved her to the deck. She got fucked from behind as she leaned over, looking at the cars and pedestrians eighty feet down.
Your wife may have been invited back a time or two, but she never got to sleep in my bed or take a shit in my master bathroom. She didn’t get any homemade meals or hand-pressed coffee. She got to kneel down and throat my cock on a rolled-out futon. She got fucked in her cunt and asshole, multiple times, and then at some point, I got bored of her, and she got kindly kicked out into the street.
Your wife had a fair bit of pain in her crotch as she sat down at desk the next day, and your wife may have called or texted me a few times.
Hey! What’s up?
How have you been?
Miss you!
I may have invited her back over a couple of times; but, I never played the chump.
She didn’t tell you about me when you met her, did she? I didn’t think so.
I bet you think that her little romp with me was anomalous. In fact, it was a lifestyle. There are hundreds of men who treated your wife in exactly the way I did. I’m just the one swingin’ dick that is telling it to you straight.
You wined and dined her. You bought her flowers. You opened the car door for her entry and exit. You were the perfect gentleman.
Sex was on her terms, and she kept you hanging for weeks before you got limited access to the playground I ran through. You were a tender lover. You understood when she told you “I don’t like oral or anal, and I don’t do doggy style…” You bought her roses the next day. You did her laundry. You let her shit in your master bathroom. You bought her a ring. You pledged your life, your love, all the produce of your masculine brain and brawn to this ho’ that I had earlier used and tossed in the gutter.
Did she thank you for your kindness and generosity? She did not. She treated you like a simp. She found me on facebook, only a few weeks after the wedding, and offered up her snatch. Don’t worry, I refused; but I doubt all the rest of the playaz she contacted that week were as judicious.
Now you’re sick of being married to a trifling ho’, who is fucking two or three men on the side, even as you work holiday weekends in order to keep her in spending cash.
Eventually, you went to marital and family therapists online. It was a short trip away from the dark end of the internet, where you found Roissy, and Roosh, and Rollo, and Dalrock, and Cane Caldo, and all of them told you that she’s an “alpha widow.”
The game gurus are selling you on the idea that I am inherently better than you, that I have more money, that I have a longer and thicker penis, and that I have “game.” They are also playing on your insecurities with the idea that your wife remains in thrall to me — all after I treated her far worse than I would have treated an animal — and that she endlessly dreams about me, misses me, and wishes she could get all her holes fucked out just one more time.
The reality is that your wife never thought about me. While I was fucking her she likely wasn’t thinking about me. When she texted me, her thoughts were limited to wondering if she could make me into her own personal piece-of-furniture. When I didn’t play along, she texted Joe, Brad, Chad, DeVonte, and then you, in that order. She stopped at you because you played along — but only temporarily. She’s still texting and meeting and fucking men.
I am not an “alpha” by any stretch of the imagination. Your wife is not in love with Boxer, and she was never in love with an idealized image of Boxer. She has never been in love with you, even after you’ve given her your wealth, your family name, and an aura of social respectability. She’s a skank-ho bitch, who has never had an authentic love for anyone but her narcissistic self.
Maybe you’ve bought a bunch of entertaining (but useless) books about how to run game. Maybe you’ve paid thousands of dollars for coaching and seminars and meet-greet-and-retreat conventions. No doubt, your pathetic leader or “guru” has sold you on the idea that you can make your wife fall in love with you if only you act in a certain way. Maybe you came to my blog because you were looking for tips on how to get your wife interested in you, in the way you thought she was interested in me. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this is how it is.
You gave your wife everything, and she didn’t appreciate it. If you’re smart, you will now cut your losses. This is especially important if you don’t (yet) have children she can hold hostage. Take advantage of those nice feminist divorce laws. It’s too late for you to do what I did, and toss her out into the street after fucking, but you can still pay the bitch off and be done with her.
Disturbing. I could not read the whole thing. This post bears no resemblance to my life. Since finding the manosphere and “taking the red pill”, I’ve realized how unusual having a basic functional wife and family seems to be.
Today my wife took four kids to the beach, including one who had major surgery 3+ weeks ago (who still doesn’t sleep comfortably through the night, needs an hour of in-hospital therapy a day, and 12-16 hours of at home therapy). Yesterday she took them go-cart, bumper-car, and laser-tag. The day before they all went to the library. They went to a baseball game and got some player autographs. Tomorrow they are going on a boat ride. And she’s doing it all herself because she has to be in a different state than me for a month.
Just tonight she asked me why other people are not like us. At the place she is staying (a place like this) she is around many other families. These families bizarrely do not make the kind of decisions that put family first. They don’t fight for their children like she does. My wife doesn’t screw around. She doesn’t understand what’s wrong with people.
I certainly hope not.
There is a point to my observation. Few in your audience will admit being married to such a woman like you describe. Men like Scott or myself see our wives as Not All Women Are Like That.anymore. Is this real or a self-delusion? We’ll be proven right if and only if natural death doth us part.
I’ve seen plenty of guides showing how to vet a wife, things you should look for to reduce your odds of divorce. I’ve written some myself. Do the right things and your divorce risk can go below 10%. But where is the test to know if she’s slept with Boxer?
There are ways to avoid the disturbing situation described in the OP. While most mainstream Christianity (including Catholicism) has lost the way, there are still evangelical denominational congregations that still largely follow Jesus and this shows up in the statistics from time to time. This isn’t to say that we all need to become evangelicals*: their “magic sauce” is actually doing what Jesus says to do. It’s a novel concept we should all duplicate.
* The mainstream “evangelical” Lutheran church (ELCA) recently voted 97.48% that Jesus never judged any other religion and that we shouldn’t say ours is any better than any other.
maybe the catholics polled were just being “honest”?
from going to evengelical conferences of a few thousand, local prayer breakfasts of a few thousand, local mens groups, interdenominational meetings and workshops……and actually believing not what christ taught….but what he did and how he lived. I realized years ago that there were actually few if any christians on the evangelical side that followed that example.
most married evangelicals had no problem with premarital sex. no problem with divorce. no problem with cohabitating unitl THEY got married…….suddenly its the “well…..you know….aw shucks………I was a young man, and jesus still loved me……even when I was rebelling…..but he gave me this wife and its been great since….as for you single men…….who want(ed) to be married. learn game. just be alpha. have a rock solid frame at all times. read this great book by Rollo…….there is this man who just says to work out, get jacked, lead a bible study and you know……..a real NAWALT will make herself know, and you can be just like me…..always remember your physical appearance has nothing to do with it…..women are really a prize to be won…..oh….its not working? hey…..god doesn’t promise you anything / christianity is deep suffering ……well except for me……..because he was using me even when I was banging every girl at chuch camp / in college / and before I became holier than the rest of you….you see I studied Greek….”
saw this a lot. still see this.
20% of the men in the church get to “have” and then lecture the 80% of what they are not doing enough of, how they are simps, not real men, beta, gamma, loser, ugly, unconfessed sin (just tell us your deepest sin……we promise it will help you, it will be between you and Jesus…..and me, my wife, the mens group….the pastor…….his wife, all the women in church……we’ll then smear you on the Internet and call it out to “help” you
Rollo tomassi who you alluded to is a cowardly faggot who blocks anyone who disagrees with him. Got no time for gutless cowards like him who spend their whole life categorizing all men into either Alpha’s or Beta’s and telling people to get “game”. That idiot is a hypocrite who is also married
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I don’t think the first part is true. The statistics clearly show that having 0 or 1 sexual partners prior to marriage is correlated with much lower divorce odds, by up to 20%. This is especially true among non-mainline Christians (i.e. evangelicals). I’ve looked at many studies and sources of data to arrive at this conclusion. (As an aside, devout Catholics are as good as evangelicals, but a much higher percentage of Catholics are not devout, that is, they ignore the church’s explicit teachings.)
If you are correct in your experience, then that means one of two things:
1) That bad congregations have huge percentages of premarital sex while good congregations have almost none.and that good congregations are not an insignificant minority. A huge variance from the average implies this.
2) That the most vocal members of most congregations are the (formerly?) sexually promiscuous ones. This implies that the leaders of the church are corrupt or hypocritical, but the normal members are not.
If the first, you are choosing churches poorly (probably because you live in the wrong places). If the second, then you are listening to the wrong people. Either way, you’re wrong if you think that following Jesus doesn’t lead to better personal outcomes.
Rollo’s raison d’?tre is not to let you criticize him or to indulge in serious discussion. He is not interested in dialogue or truth-seeking. He already has all the answers. He gets on the internet to find suckers who will buy his books.
Rollo’s books are not entirely worthless, mind you. If you want to pay fifteen dollars for “Positive Masculinity,” you will probably get something out of it. Having read it myself, I’d encourage any of you young brothers to skip it, in favor of a nine-dollar copy of Jack Donovan’s “The Way of Men,” which was probably the basis for the worthwhile parts of Rollo’s book anyway.
While I’m being critical, I’ll note that “The Way of Men” isn’t perfect, either. It lacks any discussion (or even appreciation) of the spiritual dimension of masculinity. I keep hoping I can goad Earl into writing a book on this, but I haven’t been successful so far…
Huge caveat: southern baptists in the Bible Belt are ironically among the worst of all groups for divorce. If you look at chart, you’ll see the “ever been divorced” is actually quite high. Be careful though, they have a higher marriage rate, so of course the divorce rate would be higher, all else equal. After adjusting for marriage rate, evangelicals divorce at the same rate as everyone else. But when adjusting for geographic factors, evangelical divorce rates outside the SBC plummet.
Derek:
You’re so hopelessly na?ve that you miss the point entirely. That’s why I love you, my brother; but, still…
All women are skanks, just like all men are pigs. Some choose to sublimate their urge to destroy into worthwhile pursuits. That’s the only difference.
You often extoll your own wife’s virginity, and Scott is open about the fact that his wife was once a skank-ho wimminz. There used to be a difference between your wife and Mrs. Scott, but tempvs edax rervm and now you’re both married to honorable women. The men who mock Scott on the internet simply have no appreciation for the patriarchal traditions, otherwise they would STFU and tend to their own households (which I suspect are a good deal more chaotic than Scott’s.)
I can tell you haven’t read my post at all, much less understood it.
If your wife had fucked me one thousand different times before you married her, would it make a difference? Of course it wouldn’t. If she was behaving the way you describe her, then why would you care? It’s not like any of the wimminz I plow give a shit about me. Believing otherwise is making yourself easy prey for the game gurus. Buy their overpriced books (cobbled together from third-rate web poastings) and see what I mean.
The inverse is also true. Just ask our brother Said Abedini, who married a virginal young Muslim princess, who loved God and her father, before mysteriously spinning on a dime and kidnapping his kids away. The fact that she didn’t have any sexual experience didn’t immunize our brother from seeing his kids turned into bastards.
My married brothers: The only thing that matters is how your wife is acting right now. Ironically, I believe this is the only incentive that your wife will respond to: a minute-by-minute appraisal of her behavior with immediate consequences.
I did explicitly state that I couldn’t make it through your post, so…. LOL.
It turns out we mostly agree: if you can’t tell if your wife was a former whore because she is behaving now, then it doesn’t immediately matter, virgin or not on the wedding day. This is where I diverge from my legalistic Christian Brothers who think that remarriage (e.g. Scott) is an “adulterous relationship” that must end in another divorce (OR ELSE HELL!!!!1!).
If your wife is cheating on you now, chances are she was sleeping with Boxer before you got married. This is why it is relevant to married men. If your wife was a whore before, she’s way more likely to be one again. Knowing this affects your level of vigilance. The relevance also depends on how long you’ve been married (and other factors).
If you have to police your wife to such an extent that you are suspicious of her every action, that’s no way to have a fulfilling marriage. It is highly likely to be self-defeating. This is where I disagree with you.
If my wife wanted to cheat on me, there is nothing I could do to stop her and I wouldn’t know. A few years ago my wife lived without me for almost all of 5 months. She could have done anything she wanted during that time. Maybe I’d get “lucky” and discover it, maybe not. Sure, maybe there would be some warning signs and the fact that there are none means everything is great… but maybe not. It’s vastly more likely that she would confess.
A “minute-by-minute appraisal with immediate consequences” is absurd. It reminds me of when someone at Dalrock asked me if I punish my wife. Once or twice a year (at most) we have some major disagreement. It might involve tears, angry words, hurt feelings, etc. Perhaps sometimes it involves “immediate consequences”, but this is extremely rare and I can’t recall any time when this was actually necessary.
Man…entertaining a legion of women who want to unleash their revolutionary tendencies is as nihilistic as this story sounds.
Only a very simple mind would take this as a simple conditional proposition, the way you have done here. Quit taking Dalrock and Rollo as though they have the whole picture. They don’t.
a implies b isn’t what we’re talking about here. It’s more like a and b and c and … and z_sub 25 implies a and b, for a being your wife is fucking around on you now and b being your wife once had a run through at chez Boxer.
Why don’t you and Derek collaborate on a spiritual dimension of masculinity book? I’d buy it.
Again, don’t be dumb. You don’t have to micromanage your woman. You just need to let her see you being decisive. A woman needs to know you don’t tolerate any nonsense, and this is effortless to convey when you live a life without tolerance for crap behavior.
Should your wife ever think about a romp with your best friend, she needs to know that the end result will be you tossing her into the dumpster. Best way to convince her is to let her see you enforcing your standards on a daily basis.
It’s pretty simple really…it’s either obeidence to the Father’s will like Christ…or obedience to your own will through revolution of God established hierarchy like the serpent convinced Adam and Eve to do. The whole ‘smash the patriarchy’ or ‘tear down the hierarchy’ concept the feminists, Marxists and soy boys like to espouse is really about this.
Obviously you’ve probably seen first hand how fornication doesn’t make a man any more masculine or a woman any more feminine. It just makes them more revolutionary.
Derek. Following jesus doesn’t lead to beltter outcomes its leads to isolation, and helplessness. The mainstream “jesus is king” crowd on sundays and in many of the christian forums DON’T do a thing jesus said. They got to sin. They got redemption. They were rewarded.
They pull this “all men sin” nonsense if its their own sin…and somehow justify it with a verse……anyone else is they deem *not as saved / educated / endowed / endeared* as they are are never allowed to change. Never. Christ has forgiven you of your past you say? Well, you’re still THIS, or THAT…….a former ‘easy girl’ or alcoholic, or addict or thief or child molester, or murderer will ALWAYS be one according to them.
Ironically, christianity MUST have a place where this 20%, 30%, or 27% (the minority) who were blessed with so much so they can lord it over everyone else who doesn’t, can’t and dare I say….isn’t allowed to have anything. “Oh there, there…..jesus loves you so much…….but you have to understand, he blesses everyone differently….he just happen to bless me with more than you. Accept this. You’re still going to heaven…but my works are still better than yours”
Have the “right gifts” (good looks, chrisma, a 190 IQ which every christian seems to have today in the sphere, and be deemed a leader………..) yeah, christianity is a great place to follow jesus.
You don’t have the right ones? jesus will leave you by yourself, and all his mighty men, their amazing subservient hot at 50 wive and perfect looking children. You will be told christianity is suffering. You will be expected to control a sex drive because you have jesus. You will be expected to HELP with everything because “you have so much free time because you are not like the rest of us” and you your past…is NEVER forgotten.
Oh and some humor from 1991….Bruce Willis in :The Last Boy Scout” the ‘i f*cked your wife’ scene
lol! Thanks, man. The title was a hat tip to a movie, but not that one. https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/0919b149-c2fb-4353-82a0-634bf768835d
Salvation and Discipleship in Jesus Christ are not the same thing.
Not all saved by Jesus are disciples.
It would be a good study for all in Jesus Christ to examine themselves regarding the later (re: discipleship).