Down below, Deti writes a very good little mini post.
Women don’t want to get caught cheating because they don’t want to lose the benefits that come from being married, namely provision, protection, help around the house, a man around the house, help with the kids, father for the kids, an intact family, avoiding the trauma of splitting up an established family with the house and cars and money and everything else, avoiding the shame and judgment of peer women in a public divorce, and just the status of being married. It is not because they care about who will get hurt if they get caught. And it is not because they care about hurting their husbands if they get caught. They care about staying married for the benefits that come from being married.
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The status that a female (be she a wimminz or a solid woman) derives from marriage comes almost exclusively from her peer group: that is, other females and possibly a couple of trannies and homos in her circle. The husband is for show.
It’s as though every day is a parade, where she marches down Broadway declaring:
Look what I managed to catch with my superior cunt/mouth/ass, and my skills at applying makeup, lying, and double-talk! My chump is at least as good as any of yours!
So, what differentiates a wimminz from a woman (i.e. a solid female)? In my experience, it is the peer-group in question. If a woman spends lots of time hanging out with other serious-minded women, then she will take on the characteristics of those women. If the same women moves to a new town (i.e. suddenly has her peer-group shorn away) and falls in with skanks, weird trannies, faggots and divorcées, then her behavior will go down the toilet almost immediately.
This is why the virginity fetishists (like social pathologist) have spent years sniping at me on Dalrock. I will take the time to tell the young bros the uncomfortable truth. Number of cocks inside a woman doesn’t really correlate with long-term marital success. A virgin at marriage means little more than princess has been surrounded by other serious women so far. Take that same sweet, virginal woman to some other locale, and watch how quickly those panties drop. Enter Jenny Erikson, Saeed Abeidini’s bitch of an ex-wife, and other examples too numerous to name here.
This is also the reason that many men on Dalrock will cop to the fact that they found a filthy lying slut that they liked, and successfully turned the whore into a housewife. If you ask any of these success-story men how they managed this feat, it always boils down to getting her away from her bitch friends, and re-inserting her into a female peer-group with some standards. Whether this was the man’s mother and sisters, or some women’s auxiliary of the Orthodox Church, it inevitably happened. The decisive factor is that on Tuesday, the bitch was running around with wimminz who didn’t mock her for being a filthy, lying slut; but on Wednesday, she was suddenly in the company of serious women who would shut her the fuck down for uttering an off-color joke. Suddenly, this trashy wimminz is wearing dresses, getting her skank-ho tattoos lasered off, and successfully raising healthy children as she takes care of husband’s needs. The men who tell these stories often credit Jesus or some religious miracle, and maybe in an abstract way perhaps that’s true, but Jesus always has help in reforming a whore, in the guise of a bunch of other women who won’t stand for a slut stinking up their sewing circle.
In another thread, Honeycomb shares a gem of an article written by “The Ambrose Girls.”
The article is quite short and direct, and the syntax/style looks like it had one single author. It’s possible that a group of wimminz wrote this dull self-justification, but I doubt it. I find it more likely that one wimminz wrote it, and pluralized the byline, for fear that she’d look like a slut. Now that she has a mythical peer group, it’s much easier for her to tell the truth about her status. She is a filthy, lying, slut; but, she has a theoretical group of other filthy, lying, sluts to flock around with, so potential judgment of her peers is less damaging to her ego.
It’s all about the flock.
Men have always heard of the divorce flu among wimminz.
But then fail to apply those very tenets to general fundamentals / practices.
If th herd requires a female to be married to enjoy it .. she will be married. If her herd is a bunch of filthy lying sluts .. expect them to behave in kind.
TLDNR .. Listen to your brother boxer.
The female virginity issue gets complicated because the men you mention put the cart before the horse. They’re looking for signs of a woman worth long-term, life-long commitment and investment.
This all boils down to the fact that before, marriage required a serious offense (infidelity, abuse, abandonment) to break up. But now it favors whoever wants out, and that the women in most instances. And since studies show that the more sexual partners, the more likely she is to a divorce, a lot of men assume they should simply seek out the rare virgin girl.
But a woman’s lack of a sexual history (according to her, mind you) is not by itself any indication of her long-term behavior. As cynical as it may sound, most people are creatures of circumstance. They do what is beneficial and avoid what is detrimental. Fear and pain are the greatest drivers in human action.
I would add that due to the nature of no-fault divorce, what a woman was before a man met her and how she is when he meets her and contemplates marrying her, is not the relevant question.
The question is, who will she be fort he next fifty or so years after the wedding? What incentives does marriage provide for woman to remain that person? That is the more pertinent question these men should ask themselves.
A dog returns to its vomit.
and ..
“Can
the Ethiopian change his skin, orthe leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.”Th Wimminz are all Eve by pattern. It’s there nature to be the creatures they are.
As such I’ve seen virgin brides that are a total mess after marriage (e.g. sexless .. regretful of not riding the po-go-stick roundee-round .. mid-life crisis .. ungrateful .. disrespectful .. filing for divorce .. etc) .. just like their pro-mo-miss-cue-a-sis counter-part. A virgin doesn’t guar-aunt-tee success.
It all depends on her herd. And of course they sometimes just go completely crazy in a good herd (if such a thing exsists). The exception doesn’t make the rule. If she’s in a good herd .. you are much safer.
So men are right to judge the seen (her current status) and not the un-seen (her in fifty years).
I can’t blame their tactics .. just their judgement. Like you said .. they are asking the wrong questions.
Like .. do I have a good herd for her .. & does it look like that herd will be the same for fifty years.
Of course .. YMWV
Women (and men) will both change according to who is in their social circle. Humans are, and always will be, social creatures. That we are influenced by our peers is not surprising. What has changed is the destruction of the social fabric. There exist precious few cultural influences that defend marriage. The church is rarely helpful. No-fault divorce is a cancer. That leaves, horrifyingly, peer-pressure as a primary influence.
The man is not completely without options. He shouldn’t be getting married if he can’t control where the couple lives and what church they attend, as this allows some control over the (pre-selected) peer group.
The divorce statistics clearly show a marked advantage to marrying a virgin (and being one yourself!). It’s no proof against divorce, but it dramatically lowers risk. You’re underplaying the importance.
“It all depends on her herd. And of course they sometimes just go completely crazy in a good herd (if such a thing exsists). The exception doesn.t make the rule. If she.s in a good herd .. you are much safer.”
I think this ties in with the propensity in our society and culture to encourage discontent. You see this everywhere. Somewhere out there, someone else has something better than you, and you need to get it. What you have is never good enough.
A sustainable model is a society and culture that encourages contentment of the marriage while promoting ways to improve it without destroying it, such as having other men instruct and guide the husband into acting as a greater leader with growing confidence and maintaining his Frame.
This of course goes against a woman’s feral instincts to seek out an alpha with no assembly required. They certainly don’t want a man who needs to be told or taught how to be a man, but as we see today, their baser desires should never be the basis for societal norms.
‘Take that same sweet, virginal woman to some other locale, and watch how quickly those panties drop. Enter Jenny Erikson, Saeed Abeidini.s bitch of an ex-wife, and other examples too numerous to name here.’
Correctly me if I’m wrong but wasn’t those women’s peer group suddenly coming in contact with more powerful men? I get the suddenly she’s in the slut group so she follows the herd…but I’m not sure we ever had proof that is what was the case with those two women.
Anybody got an acronym for “Cat Ladies In Training”?
Asking for a friend … HEH!
Ugh .. they start early these days .. this falls under mean girlz ..
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5432640/bullies-12-charged-girl-hanged-rumours-std-gabriella-green/
lolled hard!
More proof th wimmunz are herd animals ..
(More proof of pre-selection game.)
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women-men-relationships-more-attractive-dating-romance-university-study-a8185026.html
Yes .. written by a womminz ..
https://www.inverse.com/article/39869-rethinking-monogamy-as-the-standard-for-relationships
Such irrational insanity that can be summed up as follows: since monogamy is so very very very hard, we might as well abandon it entirely. (It couldn’t be that a relationship full of jealousy, monitoring, and suspicion might indicate that you married badly and/or are the source of the problem.)
I trust my wife absolutely and completely. I trust her around any man. (I, of course, don’t trust the man) I’ve never once felt a hint of jealousy, because she wouldn’t betray me. She trusts me utterly and completely as well. I never freak out when another guy hits on her. And we both have had close friendships with members of the opposite sex.
If either one of us had said “Chances are one of us is going to cheat on the other eventually, let’s talk about what we are going to do when that happens”, then we never would have gotten married. It blows my mind when I hear this defeatist talk from my other married peers. These are the same persons who insist on prenups.
Derek:
You should write more about this if you get the chance.
One of the things I mourn (and any honest playa will likely agree) is what you take for granted. Men and women were not evolved/created to be atomized individuals, wandering around aimlessly from birth to death.
Boxer
Derek .. it’s classic misdirection / cover fire for th wimmimz ..
i.e. men should get onboard with being cucked and it’s still her body her choice ..
Until the man does it .. at which time requires divorce & cash & prizes.
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On a different note I don’t trust any womminz regarding infidelity. And if you do (re: trust a womminz) .. you are likely to be proven wrong.
bwhaaaa .. (female) 5 year olds no less .. in mudder Russia no less ..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5335581/Russian-school-teaches-pupils-POLE-DANCE.html#article-5335581
Nothing to see here .. move along .. *sounds of chuckles*
If it had been about child support this would’ve been a different story ..
https://www.thedailybeast.com/lesbian-couples-sperm-donor-sues-for-parental-rights
It’s a twisted case for sure.
I wasn’t completely sure whether you meant as a guest post on your blog or just on my own blog. I’m not aware that I have any regular readers: I mostly write for myself. In any case you can read what I wrote.
Thank you for suggesting I write more on the topic. It is very personal to me and writing it was more emotional than I expected. Sometimes I see a big disconnect between those who write/comment on these blogs (i.e. many on your blogroll) and those who have solid, long-term marriages. It makes me treasure my wife all the more while simultaneously having difficulty relating. It’s strange.